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Peat
Island and Mooney Mooney Lands
Be advised;
When considering any proposal
by future DA applications to Central Coast Council, we
must also take into account new DA considerations by
Councils in NSW that have now a new consideration
noted as 'Developer's Incentive Scheme'. This new initiative
allows extra height space over and above hight
restrictions in exchange for less ground covered by
the development.
eg. an application for an
apartment building to be constructed in a zoning for a
maximum of four stories may cover the whole land site
but if the building proposed application was to be
revised under the 'Developer's Incentive Scheme' the
application could be changed to an eight or ten story
building covering less of the sight allowing more open
space according to Council considerations.
This is beneficial to
developers both financially and saleability as an
eight or ten story high rise building is far more
viable compared to a four story building covering more
land space area.
Communities must keep this in
mind when commenting on DA applications.
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Planning
Proposal RZ/58/2016 - Peat Island
In regard to the matter, Planning Proposal RZ/58/2016
- Peat Island, tabled before Central Coast Council on
Wednesday 22 March 2017, the majority of residents in
Mooney Mooney are disappointed that the planning
proposal to be tabled before Council at that meeting.
The amended
proposal still ignores the comprehensive community
consultations to date and still sights approximately
268 dwellings proposed comprising:
i. 82 low
density
ii. 22 town houses
iii. 164 apartments
We are within a national park region with no visible
sign of over development on the river such as
apartments and townhouses so if these proposals are to
be implemented, Mooney and Peat Island will be the
stand out as high density, high negative visual impact
and poor tourism impact with no regard to the scenic
qualities of the region.
This is not the way we
would like to see the Central Coast part of the
Hawkesbury River be portrayed.
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Mistake
of renaming the Pacific Highway at Mooney Mooney |
16 December
2016
Sorry I did not get back to regarding this issue. I confirm that
is was an error by RMS to install the signs with OLD
Pacific Highway. Plans are underway to have all the
signs in the Moony Moony area rectified by Christmas.
Thanks for your email
Philip Oliver
Guidance and Delineation Manager
Network Sydney
8849 2960 |
9 November 2016
To;
Mr Philip Oliver,
Manager Guidance and Delineation
at Roads and Maritime.
Dear Mr Oliver,
I'm writing to you in response to
the email sent by Terry McSweeney regarding the
correspondence to the Minister (Ref. 00196147) in
relation to the re-naming of the Pacific Highway to
OLD Pacific Highway in our area.
The response in the email letter
states the renaming was in the interests of
consistency from Calga south to the Hawkesbury River.
Can we suggest for the interest of consistency as a
whole, the name Pacific Highway be retained in the
Central Coast region as it is in all other regions the
Pacific Highway runs through.
There is no 'New' Pacific Highway
to necessitate a name change and the new highway
sections are named accordingly, eg.M1 etc so any
reason in this vain is seen as unnecessary.
As mentioned in our original
correspondence, in our region there are residential
properties and businesses that have not been consulted
as to a street name change and also would like to
retain their postal address as Pacific Highway and not
OLD Pacific Highway.
The Pacific Highway has a history
that is lost when the prefix of Old is added.
Please advise what other process
we need to navigate to achieve this outcome.
With regards
Tony Lavidis |
November 2016
NSW GOVERNMENT
Transport for NSW
Thank you for your correspondence to the Minister for Roads, Maritime and Freight about the recent renaming of the Pacific Highway at Mooney Mooney. The Minister has asked me to respond on his behalf. I appreciate the reasons which prompted you to write and asked Roads and Maritime Services about the name change. I am advised the 'Old Pacific Highway' name previously took effect at
CaIga. Roads and Maritime extended this designation south towards the Hawkesbury River in the interests of consistency. In response to your concerns about the impact on residents, Roads and Maritime will
re evaluate this change.
If you have any further questions, Mr Philip Oliver, Manager Guidance and Delineation at Roads and Maritime, would be pleased to take your call on (02) 8849 2960. I hope this has been of assistance.
Yours sincerely
Terry M Sweeney Principal Manager, Ministerial & Government Services Customer Relations & Government Services
Transport for NSW 18 Lee Street, Chippendale NSW 2008 I PO Box K659, Haymarket NSW 1240 Tel: 8202 2200 I Fax: 8202 2209 I transportnsw.goy.au I ABN 18 804 239 602
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Derelict
Oyster leases Mooney Mooney Creek
August
2020
Dear Minister Adam Marshall,
For some years now, our action
group has been writing to the Department of Fisheries
Manager Steve McOrrie in relation to old oyster lease
sites at Mooney Mooney on the Hawkesbury River.
The old lease sites were to be to
be completely cleared some years ago but some sections
have been left and are a danger to boats and people
using water craft in the area.
I personally went out with the
local fisheries inspector and we covered where these
dangerous unmarked lease areas were in early 2019.
To date nothing has been done to,
if not remove the remaining lease material from the
mentioned cleared site, then at least have the area
marked as a water hazard so the boating public do not
endanger themselves when enjoying the Hawkesbury
Waterways.
Our
resident action group and the local Tourism businesses
would like this matter resolved as soon as possible,
thank you
January
2020
Response
from Adam Marshall MP
January
2021
Thank
you for the reply Minister Marshall,
We,
the residents of the Hawkesbury River and especially
at Mooney Mooney have a number of concerns with the
statements in your letter.
It
is unfortunate that the fisheries policy makers and
those elected, follow a format to avoid the matters
raised with relayed misinformation.
The statement that "The
Government does not support the removal of low reef
oyster structures over historical oyster lease
cultivation sites due to environmental services they
provide" is excusing the lack of effort from
the department toward clearing old oyster lease site
materials.
The derelict material left and the resulting
mudflats formed over old oyster lease sites have no
more environmental service than any of the surrounding
clear mud flat areas and the site would significantly
benefit from the removal of old lease material
enabling better water flows to flush out the siltation
caused.
In years past, The Mooney Action Group worked
with past ministers such as Eddie Obeid to remove a
number of old lease site areas in the Mooney Mooney
Creek area which has made significant improvements to
water flows in the immediate area.
In
more recent years the NSW State Government and Federal
Government funded a mass clean up of old lease sites
due to the effects of the QX Virus so a statement such
as the one mentioned is not in line with previous
actions from Governments and the Department's
research.
Old lease materials left to rot have harboured
viruses such as QX and affected the oyster industry on
the Hawkesbury River as it has in other oyster growing
areas such as Georges River.
Reasons
for inaction by the department and relayed to an
elected member should always be credible which in
these statements are lacking.
May
2018
Finally last remaining derelict oyster lease off East
Point Road is being removed. It's been over 30
years of campaigning with Fisheries on the issue of
derelict lease sites off east Point Road Mooney Mooney
and through dedicated persistence, the last of the
lease sites is being cleared.
This site may remain viable according to Dep. of
Primary Industries but hopefully if re-established
will not fall into the neglect that it has been for
many years.
The inspectors based in Newcastle has gone through
the process of allowing ample time that amounted to
years, for the lease holder to rectify issues raised
and a number of excuses for delays have been
forthcoming such as illness, being overseas, financial
hardship due to QX virus to name a few and this has
dragged out to process but with persistence of
contacting the Department regularly, the matter seems
to have been resolved.
This oyster farmer is a lease holder based in the
Wallis Lake area on the NSW Mid North Coast with a few
lease sites on the Hawkesbury River. One site that he
still holds is in Big Bay and again, issues of poor
lease site boundary markings remains.
November 2017 To
date, nothing has happened to clean up this lease and
the department remains defensive of the issue. The
lease has a current lease term until 2026 and though
the lease has been unused and derelict since 1999, the
department states that 'is not classed as derelict'. It
is considered an inappropriate response as this lease
holder's main business is based in Forster and his
oyster leases are located at Wallis Lake. No hardships
are evident in that region for this business.
Phone calls and written correspondence
continue and the matter remains current. February
2017
From: Jennifer Davis [mailto:jennifer.davis@dpi.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 5:45 PM
To: Tony Lavidis
Cc: Christopher Clarke; Ben Travis; Stephen
Mcorrie
Subject: Oyster Lease 79/090- Mooney Mooney
Thank you for contacting myself, Ben Travis,
aquaculture unit and Chris Clarke regarding oyster
lease 79/090 at Mooney Mooney. My apologies I
was unable to respond to your enquiry before now due
to being on leave.
Since our last discussion regarding this lease
back in May 2016 our department conducted an internal
workshop regarding the compliance of various oyster
leases at the Central Coast and Hawkesbury River. One
of the outcomes of that workshop was to allow farmers
in the Hawkesbury River a reprieve from lease clean up
responsibilities until 2018. This resolution was due
to the prolonged financial difficulties that the
oyster farming industry has suffered as a result of
multiple disease outbreaks and other factors over
recent years.
In relation to lease 79/090 being a navigational
and environmental hazard, which is an issue you have
raised previously, after consulting with Roads and
Maritime services in 2015, they reported back that the
channel markers nearby were adequate to direct boating
traffic around the lease.
In relation, to signage and marking, the lease
is required to be clearly marked as set out in the
Oyster Industry Sustainable Aquaculture Strategy (OISAS),
a copy of which I sent to you in 2015. This strategy
was again updated in 2016 and I have attached an
updated copy to this email for your reference. I have
also attached a map of the oyster leases in the
Hawkesbury River. This map shows that the lease in
question is in fact designated as a Priority Oyster
Aquaculture Area (POAA). As previously advised, the
lease has a current lease term until 2026 and is not
classed as derelict. There are no intentions to remove
the lease at present.
The last inspection of lease 79/090 was carried
out in April 2016 and at this time required one corner
post and 2 signs. A compliance letter was sent to the
permit holder shortly after this inspection, directing
them to mark the lease. I have called the permit
holder to follow up on signage.
Please see below a record of our previous
correspondence regarding this matter. At present, the
lease is compliant to our standing policies. If you
have any further new enquiries or complaints regarding
these policies, you may contact me again or contact
the aquaculture policy unit at Port Stephens on 02
4982 1232.
regards
Jennifer
Jennifer
Davis | District Fisheries Officer | Central
Coast
NSW
Department of Primary Industries
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April 2016
From: Jennifer Davis [mailto:jennifer.davis@dpi.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2016 2:52 PM
Cc: Christopher Clarke; Jai Settree; Katie
Sachs; Aquaculture Administration
Subject: Re: Oyster Lease 79-090 Mooney Mooney
Thanks for getting in touch regarding this
lease. I can let you know that the work plan recently
expired (ending March 2016). I recently inspected the
lease (last Wednesday 6th April) on the lowest of
tides, to ascertain the current condition. Compliance
action is being undertaken for failing to comply with
the agreed work plan. Compliance action now will
consist of interviewing the farmer and issue of fines
where appropriate. Policy then allows the farmer
another chance to clean up the lease. If the farmer
fails again, the department can clean the lease up and
pursue costs from the farmer.
regards
Jennifer
Jennifer
Davis | District Fisheries Officer
Central Coast Fisheries
Compliance
NSW
Department of Primary Industries
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November 2015
From: Jennifer Davis [mailto:jennifer.davis@dpi.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2015 12:41 PM
Cc: Christopher Clarke; Jai Settree; Katie
Sachs; Aquaculture Administration
Subject: Re: Oyster Lease 79-090 Mooney Mooney
Thank you for getting in touch with us regarding this
lease. I have looked at the files and note that the
lease is currently on a work program for cleanup by
March 2016.
I have phoned the oyster farmer and he is currently
overseas and not due to return until mid December. A
family member indicated that cleanup work has been
delayed over the last 3 months due to ill health.
I will make contact with the
farmer when he returns in December to get an
indication of when they will get the work completed.
regards
Jenny
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January
2015
After
years of complaints derelict oyster leases on the
Hawkesbury remain.
The
Department of Primary Industries Fisheries Department
have been contacted and notified that
lease 79-090 at Mooney Mooney Creek still remains
unused and derelict.
The
Lease has
been assessed by a Fisheries Officer from the Central
Coast.
This officer inspected the lease on Wed
28/01/2014 together with the leaseholder (oyster
farmer).
The
response from Jennifer Davies
'District Fisheries Officer' is as follows;
Inspection results:
The lease is not presently being
used for cultivation
The lease has boundary markers in
accordance with our regulations which consists of
corner posts with signs and boundary markers spaced at
50 m intervals.
There are numerous posts/ farming
infrastructure within the lease area . Some parts of
this are broken and there is some over catch to be
removed (oysters growing on the posts
unintentionally).
Background information:
There is an active lease term of
15 years on this lease.
NSW Fisheries Compliance issued a
clean-up notice on this lease 6 months ago. The farmer
then entered into an agreed work plan. The leaseholder
has been carrying out extensive repairs/ cleanup of 3
other leases in the Hawkesbury River over the last 5
months. NSW Fisheries Compliance is working with the
farmer to achieve the best possible outcomes across
all the leased areas belonging to this farmer.
It is not uncommon for farmers to
leave posts in the leased area during periods when
farming is not ongoing. This practice is acceptable
however if the posts become rotten or broken they must
be removed, due to aesthetics and also due to any
dangers from material becoming loose.
As I am sure you are aware, the oyster farming
industry in the Hawkesbury River was adversely
affected by the outbreak of both QX disease in 2004
and Pacific Oyster Mortality Syndrome in 2013. Both of
these major events led to a near collapse of the local
oyster farming industry with only a few farmers
remaining. Those that do remain, are working to
re-mediate untidy leases on much reduced or no
incomes. Most farmers lost all their growing oysters
which take years to farm to market size. This lease
has been in existence since 1979 and I note that over
the years the lease has been in both tidy and untidy
states. At present the lease is not too bad and the
farmer is working toward further improvement together
with his other leased areas.
I also note concerns regarding navigation. In terms of
our marking requirements, the lease is compliant. I
have however made contact with NSW Roads and Maritime
Services to discuss the current placement of the
starboard channel marker, which in our opinion would
be better placed near the north eastern extremity of
the oyster lease. An RMS Boating Officer is best
placed to make that assessment however, and they are
investigating whether it would be necessary to mark
the area differently.
Kind Regards
Jennifer
Jennifer
Davis | District Fisheries Officer
Central Coast Fisheries
Compliance
NSW
Department of Primary Industries
North
Loop Rd |University of Newcastle, Ourimbah Campus|
Ourimbah NSW 2258 | Locked Bag 26 | Gosford NSW
2250
T: 02 4328 8618 | F: 02 4328 8628 | M: 0419 202 225 | E: Jennifer.davis@dpi.nsw.gov.au
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August
2013
Communities Precinct Proposal
A request has been sent
to NSW State Government Members for Hornsby and Gosford
, Hornsby Shire Councillors and Gosford Shire City Councillors for consideration to the
following proposal. The request is for support to
be sent to the NSW State properties department section
in charge of the sale of Peat Island and the Mooney Mooney
Lands area in the Gosford LGA.
Re; a planning proposal
for a Community Precinct to be considered for the future
sale and development of the Government surplus lands in the
Mooney Mooney Peat Island area.
This proposal offers
Gosford Council an opportunity to manage the proposed
re-developed decommissioned nurses quarters as a community
centre and an opportunity to generate income from commercial
leasing of shop/cafe and office spaces within that
re-development. This income could go toward Council's
costs of maintaining a community precinct in Mooney Mooney
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Hawkesbury
River Communities Precinct Proposal
at Mooney
Mooney
For
the future benefit of all Hawkesbury River
communities of the region.
Government Property NSW is managing the
re-zoning and sale of surplus Government land at Peat
Island and the Mooney Mooney Lands.
The proposed sale of the Mooney Mooney Lands and Peat
Island in the Gosford Shire is expected to result in
expansion of the size of the residential community of
Mooney Mooney.
At the Mooney Cheero Progress Association meeting in March
2010, Government Property NSW outlined its draft concept
plan for the Government land, recognising the need for
community facilities in the area, including a community
hall and library.
As shown on the attached
Community Precinct Plan included in this
submission, the southern portion of the area identified by
the Authority as Parcel 3 Mooney Mooney Lands, comprises
approximately 1.3 ha of land and includes a Chapel, a
Tennis Court, a red brick two storey decommissioned nurses
quarters Building and a small single storey fibro Cottage
accessed via Church Lane.
The Minister's
consideration and approval for a parcel of land, (being a
portion of the area identified by Government Property NSW
as Parcel 3 Mooney Mooney Lands), including the existing
buildings and infrastructure, to be transferred from NSW
State Properties' jurisdiction to Gosford City Council's
jurisdiction.
This would be for the establishment of a Community
Precinct to meet the needs of the residents of the Mooney
Mooney, Cheero Point and surrounding Hawkesbury River
Communities.
The Community Precinct is to support the current and
future residents of the Hawkesbury River communities in
the region.
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Location
This area is adjacent to the Pacific Hwy. on its
eastern side and abuts the F3 freeway on its western side.
The area has existing access via Church Lane off the
Pacific Hwy and will also be accessible from the southern
areas of the Mooney Mooney and Peat Island lands in the
Authority's proposal for future residential,
tourism and commercial developments.
Government Property NSW acknowledges that the acoustic
impact of the F3 Freeway on this parcel of land would not
be favourable as a site for residential developments as
there would be a case for noise retention barricades
required for the purpose.
Notwithstanding this, the existing buildings together with
the already established adjacent parking areas and the
associated infrastructure would be suitable for community
use. The existing buildings are grouped together and there
is good, safe road access to them. The two story red brick
building that was once the nurses quarters, has been
decommissioned and boarded up for many years. This could
easily be remodelled into a community centre, library,
meeting rooms and possibly day care. There is an adjacent
tennis court that has been available for use by the
community for many years and it would be preferable to
retain that access to this facility.
With the help of council funding from the developer's
contributions scheme that would be required for any
proposed development of other parts of the Mooney Mooney
Lands and the Peat Island site, the community would seek
to refurbish the existing buildings and infrastructure for
community use.
Summary
There is a current urgent need for appropriate
contemporary community facilities for the current
communities of Mooney Mooney, Cheero Point and those of
the surrounding Hawkesbury River in both the Hornsby and
Gosford local government areas.
With the imminent sale of the Mooney Mooney Lands and Peat
Island and the development of these sites, there is an
expectation that the populations of these communities will
significantly increase adding to the need for such
community facilities.
The imminent re-zoning and sale of the surplus Government
land at Peat Island and Mooney Mooney presents an
opportunity to provide appropriate facilities in a timely
and efficient manner.
The redevelopment of the southern portion of Parcel 3, as
outlined in this proposal, could provide appropriate
re-use of the existing facilities and infrastructure in a
manner that not only addresses the short term but also the
long term needs and expectations of the local Hawkesbury
River communities and accrues benefit to the State
Government and the local government areas of Hornsby and
Gosford.
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Benefits
For many years the Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point
community, with the support of Gosford City Council,
has been permitted access to the Mooney Mooney Public
School grounds and buildings for events and meeting
facilities. This current access includes the use of one of
the school buildings as a community library. With
the closure of the Mooney Mooney Public School and the
imminent sale of the site, this access will no
longer be available, significantly disadvantaging the
community. The predicted expansion in size of the
community as a result of the sale and redevelopment of the
NSW State Government lands, will add to this disadvantage.
The community considers relocation of the community
library and meeting rooms to the remodelled nurses'
quarters building is a reasonable solution to this.
In addition to providing benefits directly to the
residents of Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point, our proposal
would also offer these benefits to residents of the
surrounding local Hawkesbury River communities of
Brooklyn, Dangar Island, Milsons Passage, Wobby Beach,
Cogra Bay, Bar Point and Mount White, who also do not have
access to a local community centre. Brooklyn Community
Groups have been campaigning for some years for such
facilities.
The Mooney Mooney Branch of the Rural Fires Service is
currently accommodated in a small, old fire shed building
that does not satisfactorily meet its current
requirements: the current facility is too small to
accommodate the new RFS vehicle that is to replace the
current vehicle due for decommissioning in the near
future. The land on which the current RFS building stands,
straddles land marked by Government Property NSW for
future sale, as well as land belonging to the Roads and
Maritime Services. This means that the current site is no
longer viable and will be, in part, included in the Mooney
Mooney School site sale.
Parcel 3 also has the potential to allow the Mooney Mooney
Branch of the Rural Fire Services to be more conveniently
relocated to the site of the current small fibro cottage,
in a future, purpose built contemporary facility. It
is considered that this would be an improved,
secure amenity for the Rural Fire Service: driveway access
to the cottage site does not directly lead on the Pacific
Highway; surrounding land is available for training
purposes; and there is readily available parking for Rural
Fire Services volunteers.
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Gosford
Council's
response;
Council
officers have been negotiating with NSW Government
representatives in relation to this matter, including
conducting a site inspection.
During that
inspection the government officers advised that the nurse's
quarters has structural faults. An exterior inspection by
Council also showed significant defects which in themselves
would be very expensive to rectify along with the structural
issues.
Council
has no funds allocated for the provision of community
facilities at Mooney Mooney other than an amount to
construct the Fire Station in addition, there is not a
contribution plan in place for the area and under the
proposed new planning legislation such plans may not be
possible.
I
can advise that the General Manager has put a proposal to
the Government that Council would accept transfer of part of
the site which includes the Chapel, the old service station
site and the land in between to be developed for community
use. Details of
costing and certification of the site will be subject to
further negotiation.
Council
is anxious to ensure that the Mooney Mooney Community has
access to facilities at least equivalent to those available
now and I confirm Council is working towards that goal at
minimum cost to ratepayers.
Christ
Holstein - Member for Gosford - response;
I
will send a letter to the minister.....
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Response;
When
reading council's response, we must consider that
without further details of the decommissioned
nurses quarters building defects, it is premature
for council to dismiss the option to transfer of
the site to council for community use.
We
also find it difficult to understand the statement
that 'there is not a contribution plan in place
for the area' and question if the developer's
co-contribution that would be generated from the
development proposals resulting from the Peat
Island and Mooney Mooney Lands sales is still
applicable in the Gosford shire.
The
option for Council to manage and generate income
from commercial rental from the site has also been
ignored when considering the future funding and
investment for the site.
We
welcomed the details that council would accept
part of the site including the chapel but feel
that it is short sighted to not include the
existing tennis court and sealed parking area that
adjoins the chapel area. To also include the old
service station site may need further
investigation if costs to council are to be
considered as the site has not only contamination
issues but also foundation issues if any type of
building was to be erected on the site considering
the existence of the old fuel storage tanks buried
underground on the site.
In
fairness to the communities of not only Mooney
Mooney and Cheero Point but also Mt White,
Brooklyn, Milsons Passage, Dangar Island and Bar
Point, we will aim to publish the details in the
local papers and aim to generate support for the
community precinct proposal.
The
community members of all these areas would benefit
in this proposal and would appreciate Gosford
Council's support and action in this matter.
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In the
mid 1980's the community lodged an application with
Gosford Council to establish a parkland and boat
launching facility at the site known locally as The
Ruins that was the original John Holland Hard Stand
for the construction of the freeway.
Council's
original response was that there was no funding
allocated for a project such as the one proposed and
the site would not support vegetation suitable for a
foreshore park.
It
took 10 years and the foresight of one Gosford
Councillor, Robert Bell's support to finally have
council not only agree to create a park and facility
on the site but also to seek funding from various
Government sources to make the proposal a reality.
Deerubbun
Reserve is now one of the most popular boat
launching facilities and parkland in the area and
has helped the region cope with the growing
popularity of the Hawkesbury Waterways and tourism
for the region and NSW.
Deerubbun is
also now a rest stop and an asset to the Gosford
Shire thanks to Councillor Robert Bell and dedicated
Mooney Mooney community members.
The
question is do we have another Councillor or
Councillors with the same foresight and commitment
to help to make this
Community
Precinct proposal a reality?
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Past
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History
of Deerubbun Reserve A
proposal was put to the Mooney Cheero Progress Association
in 1985 for a committee to be formed to plan and instigate
negotiations with Gosford Council for the area known locally
as the ruins, to be reinvented as a pubic park and
formalised boat launching ramp area. The
area was originally a filled area created for the
construction of the Pacific Highway and expanded for the F3
(now M1 Pacific Motorway) construction works including the
M1 Hawkesbury River bridge. The
area remained a derelict site until 1995 when the site was
designated as a reserve and funding was granted through the
Federal Government work for the dole scheme which was met
dollar for dollar by the NSW State Government waterways infrastructure
scheme. Gosford Council contributed the staff to oversee the
works to be carried out. The
RTA was approached for funding contributions for the site to
be a rest stop from the F3 but the application was refused
with the reason being that, at that time, rest stops were to
only be commercial retail outlets such ass petrol stations
and no park areas were to be established as future rest
stops. ( a policy RTA back tracked on when Deerubbun was
created and now is used as an official rest stop). The
Progress Association Deerubun Committee included Ian Sprague
(who designed the original landscape plan), Michael Far and
Tony Lavidis. Ian
and Michael eventually left the area before permission was
granted for the park and Tony Lavidis continued to campaign
Council and the NSW State Government for ten years until
some of the Gosford Councillors agreed to adopt the plan. Deerubbun
was named by Ian Sprague after the Aboriginal Name for the
Hawkesbury River. Deerubbun
officially opened to the public in late 1995.
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3 April 2009
Change
to local government area from Gosford to Hornsby for
Mooney Mooney.
Minister for Local
Government, Barbara Perry makes her decision on
misinformation from the Boundaries Commission
The
Boundaries Commission report detailed incorrectly that
there was no financial advantage to the community
and that remaining under Gosford LGA the residents of
Mooney Mooney were better off.
In
fact, it is the reverse as the rates under Hornsby are
less than under Gosford.
These
details were sent to the department's legal section and
the response letter from the Dep. of Local
Government's officer Ross Woodward, Acting Director
General DLG was "I have noted your comments that
rating information contained in the Local Government
Boundaries Commission's report was inaccurate. However, it
is apparent from the report that the commission's
recommendation was based on issues broader than
comparative rates."
Again,
what the decision was based on is not highlighted and no
clarification of "compelling reasons" necessary
were given.
As
the report was crucial to the decision from the minister
and that report from the Boundaries Commission was
inaccurate, the decision from the office of Minister Barbara Perry is to be
disputed on further grounds that the reason given, "
there is no compelling reasons to suggest that the boundary
alteration proposal should be implemented." does not
reflect the community interest in the matter.
This
response does not take into account the majority support for
the change reflected in the amount of submissions
made,
The
decision does
not take into consideration the
matters raised in relation to community cohesion
between river communities,
and
the omission of Mooney Mooney in Estuary Management because
of differing local government areas.
The
decision is partly based on the Boundaries Commission false
statement that the reduction in rate levies is untrue when
it is true.
A
meeting with the Minister has been requested but to date,
the Minister has refused to meet nor address the
discrepancies highlighted.
Is
this the way a Minister holding a portfolio should conduct
themselves? We think not and request Minister Perry
re-consider the matter.
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Council Rate
comparisons between Gosford and Hornsby
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September 2008
Recent
comparisons of Local Government rates have been made with surprising
results.
Example
1. A
comparison for a property with a Land Valuate General's appraisal of
$595,000.00 the rates from Gosford council including levies is currently
$1,976.00 per year. Hornsby council's rates for the same property would be
$1595.00 per year.
This
is a saving of $381.00 per year for the same services.
Example
2. A
rate comparison for another property with a Land Valuate General's
appraisal of $732,000.00 the rates from Gosford Council including levies
is $2,173.00 per year. For
the same property, Hornsby Council's rates would be $1,750.00 per year.
This
is a saving of $523.00 per year for the same services.
So
why do rates vary so much between adjoining council's? It has to do
with council ability to manage it's funding, the amount of rate payers in
a shire, the amount of council dept, infrastructure spending and other
related matters.
Gosford
Council has applied to the State Government for increases to rates above
the recommended state increases for the next few years.
Hornsby
Council's current Quarry Levy is to be paid off over the next 7 years then
removed from the rate base system. If the quarry
is sold or developed, the dept may be cleared sooner.
These
factors affect our community. We are facing increases in cost of living expenses
with charges for sewerage and ongoing service charges for maintaining an
inferior system Gosford Council decided to install in our area.
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Support from Member for Hornsby
Judy Hopwood MP
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31 July 2008
Thank you for your recent
correspondence in relation to your submission to the Minister for Local
Government for Shire Boundary Changes for Mooney Mooney. I have brought
this matter to the direct attention of the Minister for Local Government
offering my support for this proposal. I have requested the Minister
consider this proposal based on the influencing factors relating to this
matter. I trust the Minister will be in contact once this submission has
been reviewed.
Once again thank you for making me
aware of this matter.
Yours sincerely
Judy
Hopwood MP
Member for Hornsby
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Mooney
Mooney & Cheero Point Sewerage Connection Fee Issue
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2007.
The
communications with the previous Minister for Water & Utilities, David Campbell,
to consider an
application for changes to be made to the Sydney Water Act 1994 to include
Mooney Mooney & Cheero Point as customers connected to the Sydney Water
System, have failed.
The
new minister for Water & Utilities is now Minister Nathan Rees.
The
current system uses the limits of the Hawkesbury River Local Government
boundaries. The relevant changes to the Sydney Water Act 1994 would have meant
the inclusion of our communities as customers of Sydney Water and part of
the Sydney Water Connection
supply rate base system.
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Matter
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The
IPART Final Determination can be viewed at Charges
for Backlog Sewerage Services 2006 - Gosford City Council
Gosford Council's
decision to adopt a strategy to include Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point in the
Brooklyn & Dangar Island Sewerage Treatment Plant and the
IPART determination of pricing methodology for the inclusion of Mooney Mooney
and Cheero Point in the Brooklyn & Dangar Island Sewerage Treatment Plant
has come at a substantial cost to our communities. The current estimate for the
property charge for the Mooney Mooney & Cheero Point residents is
$12,000.00 per house to be connected through the Priority Sewerage Program and
this may increase by the time the works start. When compared to the property
charge of aprox. $200.00 to the (Hornsby Shire or Sydney water rate base)
Brooklyn and Dangar Island households, it shows how discriminated the
communities of Mooney Mooney & Cheero Point have been in this process.
There
are some major equity issues in this determination. As a result of the NSW State
Government methodology, a financial inequity has resulted from the discrepancy
in the sewerage connection charges applied to the communities of
Brooklyn and Dangar Island and the charges applied to communities of Mooney
Mooney and Cheero Point. This major difference in connection pricing has
resulted in splitting these communities and causing a discrepancy for residents
based on what side of the Hawkesbury River they live on.
This
costing discrepancy is not acceptable to our community considering that;
- Our
community is in the same area (within 150 metres) with the same
environmental concerns (ie septic tank leakage to the Hawkesbury River
system) that placed Brooklyn and Dangar Island on the priority sewerage
treatment listing and
- that
Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point are connected to the same Sydney Water supply
system as Brooklyn and Dangar Island and
- are
to be connected to the same new sewerage treatment plant.
The
only differing factor in this issue from Sydney Water and the NSW State
Government is that Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point are in a different council
region.
The
Sydney Water Act states that “Sydney Water Corporation is responsible for the
provision of drinking water, and waste water services and some storm water
services to Sydney, the Blue Mountains and the Illawarra communities”
This
indicates that the Sydney Water Rate Base is not determined on Sydney
metropolitan local council boundaries as indicated by the government departments
and the IPART representatives.
An
application was lodged on 7 February with the Department of Water and
Utilities Minister David Campbell's policy advisor, Ophelia Cowell, for our
communities to be annexed to the Sydney Rate Base as our 250 households are
connected to the same Sydney Water system as our neighbouring communities of
Brooklyn and Dangar Island. This would eliminate the discrimination against the
communities of Mooney Mooney & Cheero Point evident in this process to date.
The
next step is to approach the NSW State Governor's office for assistance in this
matter.
To
Date;
The
letters from the government ministers have stated that the funding for Brooklyn
and Dangar Island has been based on the subsidies from the Sydney Rate Base. On
this basis we have stressed that as we are paying Sydney Water for our
water supply and as our future sewerage levies, when the new system is up and running,
will ultimately go to the sewerage system for the Sydney Rate Base, thus
contributing to funding future sewerage connections and maintenance for the
Sydney Rate Base and not to the Gosford Shire rate base, then surely our
communities are entitled to the same determination as other Sydney Rate Base
customers.
Gosford
Council spokesperson stated that "if Sydney Water Authority were to own the
whole scheme (i.e. water connections and sewerage connections to Mooney Mooney
& Cheero Point ) this would necessitate changes to the Sydney Water Act 1994
requiring Parliament approval, as there would be a change to the area of
operation. This process would have caused a major delay on this priority project
and was considered to be not acceptable in the current situation."
The
residents have waited years for a sewerage proposal and the general consensus
would be supportive to a further delay for the relevant changes by the NSW state
government, to the Sydney Water Act 1994 if it were to save each household the
majority of the $10,000. connection fee.
When
speaking to Richard Warner of IPART, he stated that quote “where would the
line be drawn for funding if it was not the shire boundaries.” A fair answer
would be that the line should be drawn to the extent of water supply base of
communities connected to the Sydney System which would include Mooney Mooney and
Cheero Point.
It
would be fair to say that the IPART community consultation process was conducted
too early to determine the financial outcome to the residents.
Our
community want a fairer outcome that is not evident in this current
determination and hardly fare when considering that our community is
connected to the same Sydney Water supply system as Brooklyn and Dangar Island
and are to be connected to the same new sewerage treatment plant that was given
priority because of the same environmental issues for the Hawkesbury River in
relation to river communities sewerage systems.
The main
discriminating factor in this determination is that Mooney Mooney & Cheero
Point are in a different council shire and that our communities, by a
distance of 150 meters, are on the Central Coast side of the Hawkesbury River,
thus not recognised as Sydney Water customers.
Grant
Savings for the NSW Sate Government;
The
State Government should consider the savings to the state government grant
process as well. As Gosford Council has been granted the Country Towns and Water
grant subsidy for Mooney Mooney & Cheero Point, the grant has come from the
State Government. If the relevant changes to the Sydney Water Act 1994 were to
be adopted to include communities connect to the Sydney Water connection supply
base system, as is the case for Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point, then the CTW
grant would not be required. The costs difference would be the same as for
Brooklyn and Dangar Island and spread over the Sydney Rate Base at less than $1.
per rate base customer. Our communities number only 249 properties.
People
contacted to date:
NSW
State Minister for Water and Utilities - David Campbell
MP
NSW
Labour for Peats - Marie Andrews MP,
NSW
Premier Morris Iemma office - Jocelyn
Mouawad,
NSW
Liberal - Chris Holstine,
Federal
Liberal - Jim Lloyd MP,
NSW
State Independent Candidate - Debra Wales,
Water &
Sewer - Director - Rod
Williams,
Senior
Manager Water Recycling and Planning - Adrian Langdon,
IPART
- Richard Warner,
Gosford
Council - Pam McCann,
Energy
& Water Ombudsman - Clare Petre,
NSW
Ombudsman- Alison
Shea.
Manager Mooney Mooney Workers Club
- Kevin
Mund
CEO Revesby Workers Club
- Edward
Camilleri
NSW
State Governor Her
Excellency Professor Marie Bashir ACCVO
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Where do we stand with the politicians.
do
you see red? |
These are the
replies to our correspondence.
Debra
Wales Independent :
I
would be happy to support whatever your community wants as I believe I'm not
here to tell you what you need but to represent you in State Parliament.
For too long now, the Central Coast has lost its voice. I will prepare a media
release highlighting your issues. Because your only 300 votes - Mooney's
not going to be a headache for the Labour Government - but just like me you're
going to have to be a very loud voice and the media can help.
I
will contact the Independent Member for Hawkesbury Stephen Pringle (we share a
border) and see if he's prepared to do something
Chris
Holstine Liberal :
IN LIGHT OF SYDNEY'S WATER
CRISIS I FEEL YOU WILL GET THE ( WE WILL CONSIDER) WHICH MEANS
AFTER MARCH "NO".
Happy to take the matter up with the shadow
minister but the liberal offer is on the board $100mil to the CTWSS which
includes Mooney and Cheero.
After Labour cutting the grants I can't see
them funding via the Sydney water (too contentious)
Marie
Andrews Labour :
"I
will send a letter to the minister"
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The
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Under
LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT 1993 - SECT 263
Functions
of the Boundaries Commission
The
boundaries commission did not adequately consider;
(3)
When considering any matter referred to it that relates to the boundaries
of areas or the areas of operations of county councils, the Boundaries
Commission is required to have regard to the following factors:
(a)
the financial advantages or disadvantages (including the economies
or diseconomies of scale) of any relevant proposal to the residents and
ratepayers of the areas concerned,
when
considering the discrepancy in what is stated by the commission in it’s
report to the minister, between council rates as the rates are less under
the new proposal for boundary change under Hornsby.
(b)
the community of interest and geographic cohesion in the existing
areas and in any proposed new area,
when
obvious advantages are highlighted and acknowledged by the commission but
dismissed in the report,
(c)
the attitude of the residents and ratepayers of the areas
concerned,
when
a majority of the submissions supported the proposal
(5)
The Boundaries Commission
must allow members of the public to attend any inquiry held by the
Commission under this section.
This
did not happen even though requests were made for community members to
address a meeting or meet with individual
members of the commission and these requests were denied.
Under
section 264 it states details of those who are not allowed to attend
proceedings but community members are not mentioned in this section so why
where our requests to attend the proceedings or meet
with the commission members,
rejected remains unanswered.
The
minister’s response on the matter was based on misinformation from the
commission in relation to the rates between council areas and as such,
the minister has dismissed a case that 'the
residents are financially better off under Hornsby LGA compared to staying
under Gosford LGA'.
The
minister’s report highlighted that there are no compelling reasons for a
change in local government area yet no details are highlighted in the
application, the process nor in the report from the minister,
to state what constitutes a compelling reason.
The
following reasons do constitute reasons for the justification for a
boundary change as stated in the application process.
(1) a
reduction in rates to households,
(2)
better community cohesion
(3)
no disadvantages to either council
(4)
better access to facilities such as policing, schools and community
facilities
(5)
Should
the communities be united under
one
local government area, the resulting combined rate base would warrant an
increased opportunity and facilities in the region.
The Mooney Action Committee request a
meeting with the Minister to discuss this application and for the matter
to be reconsidered.
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Change
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for
Mooney Mooney.
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NBN New Bulletin link on
http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php?s=+boundary+change+for+Mooney+Mooney
An
application for a change to our local government area from Gosford to
Hornsby was decided on by the Boundaries Commission to the minister for
Local Government for her consideration.
The
application was lodged in June 2007 by the Mooney Action Group.
In
March 2009, the application was refused by the Minister Barbara
Perry.
Details
were as follows;.
With
a local population of 414
people according to the 1996 census, the petition accompanying the
application included more than the 10 percent population requirement.
The
petition conducted in March 2007 included 94 residents signing a petition
and a further 11 people sending proxy votes for a change to the local
government area from Gosford to Hornsby. The remaining members of the
community have not been surveyed but it is understood that the matter
holds a majority support.
Currently the shire boundary between Hornsby and
Gosford local government areas is the northern shore line of the
Hawkesbury River. The southern shore and islands on the Hawkesbury River
are included in the Hornsby Shire and the Gosford Shire starts on the
Northern shore line.
The application has included a change of the shire boundary between
Hornsby and Gosford, from the Hawkesbury River shore line, to the start of
the southern end of the Brisbane Water National Park just north of Mooney
Mooney. This would enable Mooney Mooney to be included in the Hornsby
Shire.
Advantages and Local Government Act
requirements;
Though the advantages of transferring to Hornsby
Shire have been debated for some years, the matter has come to a head with
the prospect of the sewerage connection discrepancy between the
communities of Brooklyn and Dangar Island and Mooney Mooney. That being
said, the advantages for the communities of Brooklyn and Mooney Mooney
being under one local government area are recognised and details
highlighted. Each requirement from the Local Government Act 1993 is
addressed as follows.
Local Government Act 1993
(a)
the financial
advantages or disadvantages (including the economies
or diseconomies of scale) of any relevant proposal to
the residents and ratepayers of the areas concerned,
Financial
advantages or disadvantages are not an issue to the
community as the property rate basis and council
billing for services is similar in both shire areas.
(b)
the community of
interest and geographic cohesion in the existing areas
and in any proposed new area,
Community
geographical cohesion is considered advantageous with
a larger combined community replacing smaller
communities segregated by differing shire boundaries.
(c)
the existing
historical and traditional values in the existing
areas and the impact of change on
them,
Historical
and traditional values would also be strengthened by
the cohesion of communities under the identification
of a single local government area.
(d)
the attitude of the residents and ratepayers
of the areas concerned,
The
attitude of a large sector of the community is that
they tend to use Hornsby Shire facilities and relate
to Hornsby Shire in preference to Gosford Shire due to
our geographical positioning and local facilities.
Most
residence use Hornsby shire for primary and
secondary schooling as well as Tafe courses, shopping
for their weekly shopping, banking and commercial
needs, library and medical needs such as doctors and
hospitals. Brooklyn, again in Hornsby shire, is also
used for it's marine facilities such as jetties and
pontoons, railway stations, medical centres, post
office and shopping facilities.
The
local bus service is from Hornsby and commuters
use this service to the Hawkesbury River station and
Hornsby's Westfield in Hornsby Shire.
Policing
is also a consideration as we once had access to the Brooklyn and
Hornsby police stations but now are directed to Woy Woy in Gosford Shire
because of new policies.
Another
factor is that the division in local government areas diminishes council
spending on infrastructure in the region as communities are segregated
into smaller population areas divided by differing local government areas and
divided rate based funding.
Should
the communities be united under one local government area, the resulting
combined rate base would warrant an increased opportunity and facilities
in the region.
(e)
the impact of any relevant proposal on the ability
of the councils of the areas concerned to provide
adequate, equitable and appropriate services and
facilities,
Local
government councils in both areas supply similar
services to the relevant communities.
Under
the Local Government Act 1993 Sect. 218E it states
that a proposal may be made to the minister by a
minimum number of electors being 250 or 10 percent of
the enrolled electors.
With
a local population of 414 people
according to the 1996 census, the petition sent in the application included
more than the 10 percent required.
The
petition conducted in March 2007 included 94 residents signing a petition and
a further 11 people sending proxy votes for a change to the local government
area from Gosford to Hornsby.
The
remaining members of the community have not been surveyed but it is understood
that the matter holds a majority support.
Other factors influencing the community toward
Hornsby Shire include;
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Most
importantly Policing the area has also been a major problem in
that there is a Police station in Brooklyn including Water Police but
in the Mooney Mooney area, police have to be sent from Gosford shire
stations to attend to matters. Mooney
Mooney once had
access to the Brooklyn and Hornsby police stations but now are
directed to Gosford to
attend to matters because of new policies.
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The local bus service is from Hornsby and
commuters use this service to the Hawkesbury River station and
Hornsby's Westfield.
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Since
the closure of the public school at Mooney Mooney, most of the
children attending schools now attend schools in the Hornsby Shire and
under the Sydney Region of the Education Department and no longer the
Education Department's Hunter and Central Coast Region section.
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The
phone lines and numbers for Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point are also
through the same exchange as Brooklyn and the numbers are Sydney phone
numbers not Central Coast numbers.
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The
water supply for Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point is connect to Sydney
Water through Brooklyn and not from a Gosford Shire water supply.
Water restrictions applicable to the Central Coast are not relevant to
the area but water restrictions applicable to the Sydney Water rate
base are relevant to Mooney Mooney. The
water supply for Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point is connect to Sydney
Water through Brooklyn and not from a Gosford Shire water supply.
Water restrictions applicable to the Central Coast are not relevant to
the area but water restrictions applicable to the Sydney Water rate
base are relevant to Mooney Mooney.
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The
water supply and soon, the
sewerage connection for Mooney Mooney and Cheero Point is to
Sydney Water through Brooklyn.
Infrastructure
spending;
Another factor is that the division in local government areas diminishes
council spending on infrastructure in the region as communities are
segregated into smaller population areas divided by differing local
government areas and divided rate based funding.
Should the communities be united under one local
government area, the resulting combined rate base would warrant an
increased opportunity and facilities in the region.
Local Government Act 1993 (e) the impact
of any relevant proposal on the ability of the councils of the areas
concerned to provide adequate, equitable and appropriate services and
facilities.
Local government councils in both areas supply
similar services to the relevant communities
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Water
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Prior
to 1971 the NSW Government facility of Peat Island Hospital (as it was known at
the time) including the shore based hospital houses for staff and the Mooney
Mooney Workers Club were connected to the Sydney Water Supply and a primary
sewerage treatment plant. All privately owned Mooney Mooney properties were on
tank water only. The Mooney Mooney Progress Association at the time applied to
Gosford Council to have the area connected to the Sydney Water supply through a
feed line from the Peat Island Base Water Tower. In
1971 Gosford Council brokered an agreement with the NSW State Government's
department of Sydney Water (not an independent corporation at that time) to
connect the residents of Point Road and Pacific Highway to the Sydney Water
supply. The contract to the Department of Public Works from Gosford Council was
finalised in October 1971 (contract number 3006970) and a loan was approved to
the residents of Mooney Mooney, to Gosford Council to pay for the connections
from the gravity based water tower. This loan was honoured by the
Mooney Mooney residents connected to the Sydney Water Supply as a result, over a number of years. The
residents of Mooney Mooney have paid (via this community loan over a number of
years) for the water connections to the Sydney Water supply. This infrastructure was not paid for by Gosford Council nor Sydney Water.
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Letter
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methodology between Brooklyn and Mooney Mooney prior to the final determination.
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It
has been
detected that there is a water leak at the second south western pylon on the
Peats Ferry Bridge. The matter was reported to Sydney Water and in turn
Gosford Council.
Chief
engineer, Roger Flanner stated a temporary pipe will have to be laid and new
pipes will be scheduled for the water supply when the sewerage pipes are laid
in the Peat Ferry Bridge. This involves RTA approval and applications. He
stated that they are on to it but it may take some time as most of the
expansion joints in the 600 meters of water pipe to the reservoir have faults.
They have now relieved the pressure on the pipes and so the line to the
reservoir has a reduced flow running open. With a slower constant flow,
they aim to keep the reservoir at 70% without further undue pressure on the
pipes.
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Community
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Thank You for the information you provided and
your time.
It seems an unfair and biased treatment of the MM
and CP residents bases on an artificial boundary. The reasons for the upgrade in the sewerage
system is based on environmental reasons and because up till now the residents
have paid for their own onsite sewerage treatment and maintenance not the
councils or state authorities. Using myself as an example I installed when
building 14 years ago an enviro cycle treatment system that treats the water to
a level cleaner then the Hawkesbury River and council requires a report on it
every quarter. All this does not cost the state or council.
Of course there are older systems that need
upgrading and the benefit will be the environment and Australia, and while the
councils and state have not required to fund the individual properties sewerage,
why are they now reluctant to use the same level of funding and cost base for
the one project.
The way may be as you say to change the wording
to include all Sydney water users. I would be
willing to work towards this and wait for a change to the Sydney Water Act
Regards
Phillip Psaila
- Mooney Mooney
I
visited the Mooney Mooney Matters website.
Thanks
for the effort and please let me know if I can assist in any way.
Regards,
Greg Groppenbacher
Point
Road
Happy to help with any issue with the sewer debate
Issues that don't seem to have been covered are;
1) Gosford have been returning less than our rate payments to
us for as long as can be remembered; If you want me to
investigate a freedom of information request from the GCC
Finance section it would help our argument, conversely if
they don't have the figures it would also help our argument as it would indicate
our lack of importance to them.
2) Has anyone considered a total refusal to pay the levy by
all owners -politically embarrassing for all parties if we could achieve it.
3) Gosford's complete lack of initiative in making the current
system work through effective regulation. I do not believe
the new treatment plant can meet required discharge
limits, therefore it will be a point-source discharge that
is in total, more polluting than the current un-regulated 'system'. As an
environmental scientist I feel the envisaged system is an engineers dream
that will not be a true step forward. It will never meet
discharge limits and may in fact be shut down after it is
built - a white elephant. If it is allowed to operate it
will be worse that the present diffuse discharge.
Regards
Ian Wilson
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